[Agda] Moving Prop under Quantifiers?

Joey Eremondi joey.eremondi at gmail.com
Sun Jul 5 21:25:37 CEST 2020


Thanks Nicolai and Guillaume.

The next question is, if I've defined a datatype in Prop, is it possible to
do Well-founded induction on it? That's what I need the orderings for, but
I'm not certain that it will be proof irrelevant...


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 4:14 PM Joey Eremondi <joey.eremondi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a type f Brouwer ordinals Ord, where one of the constructors is
> (lim : (Nat -> Ord) -> Ord). I've got an ordering on ordinals, where one of
> the constructors is
> (lim< : (f : Nat -> Ord) (o : Ord) -> ((a : Nat) -> f a < o) -> lim f < o).
>
> I'm using the ordinals to bound the size of data structures, but I want
> the bounds to be irrelevant, so I've been using Squash: Set -> Prop (as
> defined in the Prop docs) to define an irrelevant version of this. The
> problem is, when I'm producing proofs of (Squash (o1 < o2)), I can't figure
> out a way to use the lim< constructor.
>
> Basically, I'm wondering, given the lim constructor above, (squash : A ->
> Squash a), and squash-elim : (A : Set) (P : Prop) -> (A -> P) -> Squash A
> -> P, if there's any way to write the following function:
> p-lim< : (f : Nat -> Ord) (o : Ord) -> ((a : Nat) -> Squash (f a < o)) ->
> Squash (lim f < o))
>
> That is, if I have a function that produces the necessary "squashed" proof
> for each Nat, is there a way I can move the entire function into Prop. In
> principle, what I'm doing doesn't go against Prop, i.e. I'm only matching
> on Prop values when I'm producing a *final* value in Prop. But the
> intermediate steps leave Prop, which is what is causing problems.
>
> Is this just a limitation of Prop? Is the old dotted-irrelevance any
> different? Or is there some way to do this that I'm not seeing?
>
> Thanks!
>
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