github? [Re: [Agda] Agda development]

[Alan Jeffrey]

I set up the https://github.com/agda community, and I'm happy to add 
members to it.

On 12/01/2013 11:55 AM, Andreas Abel wrote:
> Nicolas, Jan,
>
> I think you have a point here.  Thanks for the pointer to the migration
> script.  It does not seem perfect, but it might do for the old issues
> (one can still leave the Google code issues open read-only).
>
> Personally, I am ok with trying git instead of darcs, if this is what is
> blocking more people to contribute.  I am familiar with darcs now and
> not so familiar with git (which has a bit more low-level feel), but this
> can change.  Of course, if the main developer can learn another vc, so
> could the contributors...
>
> I guess one of the main arguments to switch to git is github.com, which
> is social and encourages contribution.  It gives more the feel of a
> community and less of a hierarchy.  Also, people say that keeping forks
> and merging conflicts is easier with git than darcs.
>
> But keep in mind that the biggest hurdle to contribution will not vanish
> by a move to git:  The complexity of the Agda implementation itself...
>
> Cheers,
> Andreas
>
> On 01.12.2013 11:43, Nicolas Pouillard wrote:
>> Quoting Jan Stolarek (2013-12-01 10:54:51)
>>> I have some thought about Agda development that I'd like to share
>>> with developers, hoping it will
>>> help make things better (in my understanding of word "better").
>>>
>>> Agda development *seems* to be a closed process, without much
>>> possibility for community members to
>>> contribute. I'd like to stress that is *seems" so, not necesarily
>>> that it *is* so. Note that:
>>> 1. Issues are stored on google code, but the code repo is not. There
>>> are instructions how to get
>>> source code from svn, but the repo is actually empty.
>>> 2. Code is stored in Darcs. IMO this is a blocker for most people
>>> willing to contribute, as few
>>> people know Darcs.
>>> 3. Surprisingly, there is Agda Community group on github
>>> (https://github.com/agda) but it doesn't
>>> contain code of Agda, only some libraries.
>>>
>>> In my opinion the lack of centralised development webpage and using
>>> Darcs for source control keeps
>>> people from contributing. Given the above I'd like to propose
>>> migrating from current Google Code
>>> issue tracking and Darcs repositories to github. Many people use
>>> github for their open source
>>> projects on a daily basis and if they had Agda source code at hand on
>>> github they could simpy
>>> contribute without additional overhead of learning Darcs and using
>>> different platform (google
>>> code) for tracking issues.
>>>
>>> Also, I found a script that should allow to migrate current issues
>>> from Google Code to Github:
>>> https://github.com/arthur-debert/google-code-issues-migrator
>>
>> I share your thoughts. I am also supportive of a migration towards
>> github.
>>
>> To my understanding the main roadblock is that this will cause some
>> burden to the current developers who are not yet accustomed to git. I
>> hope they will realize that this is a minor initial burden for a big
>> upcoming benefit for themselves (a bit like learning to ride a bike)
>> and for the community.
>>
>> I've raised this issue in the past and even maintained a git version of
>> the darcs repo for a while. I think we need to propose a constructive
>> plan including the effort of actually migrating the repo and issue
>> tracker.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> -- Nicolas
>>
>>
>>
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