[Agda] Pattern matching on irrelevant types with only one constructor?

Thorsten Altenkirch Thorsten.Altenkirch at nottingham.ac.uk
Wed May 1 13:59:01 CEST 2019


The usual argument applies: in practice agda type checking is undecidable but the user will interrupt it when she gets bored.

If it is semidecidable but divergence only happens when you are inconsistent that sounds pretty ok to me.

Thorsten
From: Jesper Cockx <Jesper at sikanda.be>
Date: Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 11:33
To: Thorsten Altenkirch <psztxa at exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
Cc: Matthew Daggitt <matthewdaggitt at gmail.com>, Agda mailing list <agda at lists.chalmers.se>
Subject: Re: [Agda] Pattern matching on irrelevant types with only one constructor?

Well, if we don't have strong normalization we also lose decidability of typechecking, which is kind of an important design goal of Agda IMO.

-- Jesper

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:17 PM Thorsten Altenkirch <Thorsten.Altenkirch at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Thorsten.Altenkirch at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I am just wondering with normalisation under inconsistent assumptions is such an important feature? Is this the only thing that goes wrong?

Thorsten

From: Agda <agda-bounces at lists.chalmers.se<mailto:agda-bounces at lists.chalmers.se>> on behalf of Jesper Cockx <Jesper at sikanda.be<mailto:Jesper at sikanda.be>>
Date: Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 08:48
To: Matthew Daggitt <matthewdaggitt at gmail.com<mailto:matthewdaggitt at gmail.com>>
Cc: Agda mailing list <agda at lists.chalmers.se<mailto:agda at lists.chalmers.se>>
Subject: Re: [Agda] Pattern matching on irrelevant types with only one constructor?

Hi Matthew,

In our paper on definitional proof irrelevance (https://hal.inria.fr/hal-01859964) we give a criterion for when it is allowed to pattern match on an irrelevant argument. As we argue in the paper, the condition that the datatype has a single constructor is neither sufficient nor necessary. The criterion we give is not yet implemented in Agda, but I hope to add it in the not-too-distant future (it depends on my PR https://github.com/agda/agda/pull/3589 being merged first). Unfortunately, the Acc datatype does not satisfy this criterion. In fact, allowing pattern matching on irrelevant Acc would break strong normalization of the theory, as you can always have an absurd hypothesis of type Acc but evaluation would not be blocked on this argument because it's irrelevant. So the best you can do is get propositional  (instead of definitional) irrelevance by proving irrelevance of Acc by hand (or postulate it).

A historical note: Agda used to allow matching on single-constructor datatypes under the --experimental-irrelevance flag, but this was completely broken so I decided to remove it last year (https://github.com/agda/agda/commit/b5f8b509bbe362c4bbb14612a6666e720cabf26a)

-- Jesper

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 8:33 AM Matthew Daggitt <matthewdaggitt at gmail.com<mailto:matthewdaggitt at gmail.com>> wrote:
 In the Agda documentation<https://agda.readthedocs.io/en/v2.6.0/language/irrelevance.html> it is pretty clear that the only time you can pattern match against irrelevant arguments is when the type is empty. My own reasoning for this has always been that this is to stop decisions being made depending on the result of the pattern match. This leads me to wonder if there are any theoretical reasons why it's not possible to also mark a type irrelevant when it only has a single constructor?

Consider the motivating example below. Clearly the `Acc` argument is never actually used in the computation of the final value, and no decisions can be based on its value as it only has a single constructor. It seems like it should be possible to mark it irrelevant. If this were possible then we would immediately get rid of a whole bunch of annoying congruence lemmas.
```
gcd : (m n : ℕ) → Acc _<_ m → n < m → ℕ
gcd m zero     _         _   = m
gcd m (suc n) (acc rec) n<m = gcd′ (suc n) (m % suc n) (rec _ n<m) (a%n<n m n)
```
Many thanks,
Matthew
_______________________________________________
Agda mailing list
Agda at lists.chalmers.se<mailto:Agda at lists.chalmers.se>
https://lists.chalmers.se/mailman/listinfo/agda

This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee

and may contain confidential information. If you have received this

message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and

attachment.



Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not

necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. Email

communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored

where permitted by law.









This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
and may contain confidential information. If you have received this
message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and
attachment. 

Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not
necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. Email
communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored 
where permitted by law.




-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.chalmers.se/pipermail/agda/attachments/20190501/748ca8dc/attachment.html>


More information about the Agda mailing list