[Agda] Parametricity is inconsistent with classical logic

Bas Spitters spitters at cs.ru.nl
Thu May 10 13:35:56 CEST 2012


In Hlevel.v:

Definition forall_isprop {X} (P : X -> Type) :
  (forall x, is_prop (P x)) -> is_prop (forall x, P x).

Bas
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Martin Escardo <m.escardo at cs.bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> The hprop reflection of a type A is an hproposition A* such that A->A*,
> and for every hproposition P, A->P implies A*->P. Voevodsky defined it
> in the last types meeting as
>
>  A* = Prod P : U. hprop P -> (A -> P) -> P.
>
> In MLTT as it stands (without his resizing rules), this gives a large type.
>
> Because P=¬¬A is an hproposition (assuming extensionality of
> empty-type-valued functions), we have that A* -> ¬¬A (but hardly ever
> ¬¬A -> A*, of course).
>
> The HoTT analogue of the DNS would be
>
>  ((x : X)->  (A x)*) ->  ((x : X)->  A x)*.
>
> I haven't thought whether this is true. But it is not quite the same as
> extensionality, which has isContr rather than the hprop reflection. The
> pattern is the same, though, as observed by Hank: something is pushed
> out of a product.
>
> Martin
>
> On 10/05/12 11:38, Altenkirch Thorsten wrote:
>> This looks interesting.
>>
>> I was thinking that ¬ ¬ turns a Set into a proposition, i.e. a type whose
>> equalities are contractible.
>>
>> Actually, on a related topic - when carrying out the setoid construction
>> in Type Theory (related to my LICS 99 paper) I needed that Prop is closed
>> under Pi, I.e.
>>
>> ((x : X)->  isProp(F x)) ->  isProp((x : X)->  F x)
>>
>>
>> but as far as I can see this doesn't imply extensionality.
>>
>> To put it in another way: extensionality is equivalent to H-level 0
>> (contractible types) is closed under Pi, and it implies that H-level 1
>> (propositional types) is closed under Pi but the latter is weaker.
>>
>> Thorsten
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/2012 10:59, "Peter Hancock"<hancock at spamcop.net>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> ((x : X) → ¬ ¬ F x) → ¬ ¬ ((x : X) → F x)
>>>
>>> I just wanted to say that DNS in this form resembles the
>>> extensionality axiom in Voevodsky's form.
>>>
>>>     ((x : X)->  isContr(F x)) ->  isContr((x : X)->  F x)
>>>
>>> A double negation seems to be a crude way of turning an
>>> inhabited set into a singleton.
>>>
>>> Or is that nonsense?  It looks like an extensionality axiom.
>>>
>>> Hank
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